Everybody talks about the evils of CO2 in the environment but what happens when CO2 gets tired of the bad press and tries to get revenge? G. Long and Deb take a look at Carbon Injection plans for Louisiana and what that might mean in the future. Louisiana and the oil companies have big CO2 plans for our state and Beauregard Parish, but it's not without risks. We'll take a look at one town in Mississippi that was poisoned by a CO2 pipeline leak and what happens is pretty wild. All this and a look at Homeowners Associations, America's Tiny Oligarchies on this episode of the Long in the Boot Podcast.
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[00:00:00] . Okay, so, um, it's Tuesday. Not Sunday. Not Sunday. It's weird. I don't know how to go on a date on Tuesday. Well, it's the 11th, Tuesday, the 11th. Okay. Tomorrow is the 12th. Yes. And we're already three weeks. And hopefully I'll get my truck back. I hope so.
[00:00:19] Me too. Because I got shit to do. Yeah, me too. Projects. Push the button. Hurry up. Yeah. And greetings. This is the Long in the Boot podcast coming to you from the heel of the boot of Southwest Louisiana. I am your host, G Long, sitting across the way.
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[00:02:43] I got to say they're all gyms. No, sir, but you can't score big every time. No, but actually it's an interest thing. Some some people will find something more interesting to them than other things. Oh, sure. Sure.
[00:02:56] And and because it's us, you don't know what you might get. We may start here and end up somewhere totally different. Sure. You may get something in there that you didn't expect. And as I go back periodically and look at the numbers and what people are
[00:03:10] downloading and what people are listening to, you know, two years later, it's kind of weird sometimes like, oh my God, maybe one person listened to something that we recorded a year and a half ago and told somebody else.
[00:03:23] And they went because all of a sudden one podcast will explode. And of course, these podcasts aren't ever green. It's not like it'll be, you know, necessarily topical for today. Something might have changed. Oh, I'm sure many things have changed.
[00:03:34] Well, isn't that the kind of the joy of listening to you? You like listening to podcasts and sometimes they're old and something that they predicted might happen, didn't or did and they got it right. Well, I will recommend a podcast that I've been if you if you're
[00:03:47] like into biblical history, talking about the Bible in its supernatural spiritual way. I'm talking about the how the Bible actually came together and what the texts say there's a podcast called data over dogma. And the two guys that do the podcast are great.
[00:04:10] They're entertaining, but one of them is highly educated. One is very highly educated on basically biblical texts, not just Christian, but Jewish and even ancient Greek. And he understands the language so he can he can explain how things
[00:04:28] have evolved over time and what was meant and how things were written at a particular time compared to how they're written now. It's a it is a scholars approach to research, current research on the history of what we know today as the Bible.
[00:04:45] Because if you didn't know, it's been translated a couple of times and languages are kind of languages have changed dramatically as we as we often have talked about. So again, try it out. I think it's great. Just go and look at the titles and pick one.
[00:05:00] Yes, that's what I did start somewhere. And it's very informative. It's very informative data over like slash, like a fraction data slash dogma. Oh, OK, a literal data over dogma. Yes, but not the word over. Correct. OK. All right, there you go. There you go.
[00:05:19] That's your plug. That's my because you want people learning history. I did the more knowledge we have as humans, the more we can see multiple sides to issues and not be so narrow minded.
[00:05:31] Yeah, it seems to me if you're going to use a book to to rest your faith, you ought to at least know how it came about. Yeah. And and you know this they're not they're not squishing anybody's beliefs or anything like that. They're just telling you the fact.
[00:05:44] Telling you what we're telling you the data. And often he'll say, look, this is what we know now. Yeah. But it has evolved. So even knowledge of the knowledge of the ancient text has evolved as well. So it is quite interesting. Constantly learning and growing and entertaining.
[00:06:00] That's the thing somehow or another they make it entertaining. And I've learned a lot about Hebrew and Greek and how big of an influence this cultures of that time had on the creation of what would become the New Testament and also the cultures of the old Jewish
[00:06:17] culture, how the Old Testament came together because a lot of this stuff comes down from oral tradition and was put down in the Jewish Bible. And it's just great. It's all right. Outstanding. There you go. There you go. All right.
[00:06:30] So I had a couple of things to talk about. I know you do. So I put all my stuff on the back burner because I'm just a co-host. Well, I walked into this podcast studio today thinking about
[00:06:41] HOA because we did have a we did have a topic, a main topic. Yes. How homeowners associations and the evils therein? Yeah, because there's not a lot of positive. I can't find a lot of positive. Well, there is positive, but it's yeah, it's provided by the HOA's.
[00:06:58] They're they're the ones reporting the positives. Yeah, it's it's a way associations telling you what good they're doing. So it's a homeowners association association. Yes. And so they have lots of HOA's within their association. They rave about them.
[00:07:13] Yes, they tell you they tell you you're doing a great job. Well, and they and they moved out of they came out of the CIDs. Well, well, I want to we'll talk about the reasons for them and everything else in just a second.
[00:07:29] I was trying to go back and find what CIDs just for. I can't remember. Oh, yeah. Common interest developments. Yeah, sure. So before the term HOA's, you had the other acronym CIDs, which are the Common Interest Developments. So those were planned units, single family homes, you know, any.
[00:07:48] Yeah, well, we'll get to all that. Because it's it's that it's you want to start somewhere else, though. Well, it started because of a post on the citizens of Ragley Longville. By the way, if you don't go, please.
[00:08:00] Oh, you might if you like entertainment, like entertainment and occasionally just good information and always remember to tell people who haven't been there that when they sign up, the first question they have to ask is, where do I get good internet? And then the comments will start.
[00:08:18] And then you'll be a friend. You'll have friends for life. Yes, they will inform me that you're not getting it. You're not getting jack shit out here. There are too many damn people. Oh, and if you don't like, let's see, if you don't like people riding four wheelers,
[00:08:34] please tell everyone that you don't like common topics. And people will be friendly and hopeful and explain to you why trash pick up days. Yeah, yeah, basically the common issues that any community has, you know, we don't have actually, we probably do.
[00:08:50] I wonder if those housing developments over by the school have HOS in Beauregard. Paris shut your mouth. Well, they're legal. So well, they're legal, but this is Beauregard. Yeah, so I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have some rules over there.
[00:09:04] We staunchly support our freedoms because usually they're set up by the developer. Yes, that was that was part of the common interest development. Yeah, so we'll get there and the development. But the post that I read on citizen was it was about it was about injection.
[00:09:20] They're doing a new thing with carbon called carbon sequestering sequestering. And what they do is they take carbon, turn it into a liquid, cool it basically. And then pump it into storage underground. And one of the cool things they've decided, why are they storing carbon underground
[00:09:44] to keep it out of the atmosphere? Oh, oh, they're like harvesting it out of the atmosphere. It's out of industrial waste. It's an industrial waste product. But rather than spewing the carbon into the air, they capture it. Okay.
[00:09:58] They store it, they reduce it to a liquid and then they can run it through pipelines. I feel like Ghostbusters is coming to mind right now and their little device to capture their ghost.
[00:10:09] This is one of these things has been going on that a lot of people don't know about. But it's coming to Beauregard Parish. It's already in Louisiana. OK, it's already here facilities to yes, it's already being done across the south. Are they are they should point out again?
[00:10:23] Across the south. I'm sure it'll happen out west too. Depends on the depends on the the geology of a place. We have like those salt domes where we store oil, which doesn't always go well. Can you put carbon and oil together?
[00:10:37] Well, here's what they this is their this is what they're thinking. I'm just going to ask you random questions. OK, that's fine. What somebody came up with in Louisiana is, well, we can take that carbon
[00:10:48] and we can take oil wells that ran dry and we can pump that carbon back in and fill up the chamber where the oil used to be. But see, I always like, you know, oil and water don't mix to carbon and oil.
[00:11:03] Because you can't get rid of oil in a tanker. They're still not talking tankers. We're talking underground underground. Well, it's a tank still. No, no, I mean underground like from the earth where they first drill and capture it. So there's there are no boundaries, no box.
[00:11:18] No, it's it's in the ground. It's it's a stick of drill down there until they find it. Well, what's the difference of it being in the air versus being in our soil? Well, it's greenhouse gas.
[00:11:29] Yeah, but you and if you reduce it to a liquid, it takes up way less space. And then you can put it away somewhere so that it's not damaging the atmosphere. But what if it's damaging our soil?
[00:11:42] Well, and then they're saying it won't because it's so deep, which is the argument. But well, that's bullshit because they don't really know. Do they know? Of course not. It's new. It's new technology. And then in 100 years, we'll find out we've been screwing the earth even more
[00:11:57] currently. OK. The carbon capture sites are in the same place where a lot of the worst problems from oil drilling and assumption in Iberville perishes over there. They call it Cancer Alley. Sometimes and sinkholes is that. But what they're saying is Louisiana is well positioned for carbon capture
[00:12:19] because of its unique geology in the maze of already existing oil and gas pipelines that make developing the necessary infrastructure easier with 22 carbon storage proposals soon to fall under Louisiana's purview. Local environmental advocates are starting to wake up and say, wait a minute.
[00:12:37] Hang on. So basically they want to put 22 sites across our state. Yes. And so here's the deal. Joe Biden passed the Inflation Reduction Act, and one of the things in it was to increase federal incentives for carbon capture and storage. Oh, there's the key. Federal dollars.
[00:12:55] Yeah, we're going to get money. Carbon capture involves collecting excess carbon dioxide during industrial production and then injecting it deep underground. Uh, this injection process requires a permit and will be overseen by the Louisiana Department of Natural Resources. Well, sure. Because of course it is.
[00:13:12] There's accountability people. Always accountability. And I love this. Louisiana has particularly primed for carbon storage because of its more pliable rock formations. Oh, is that it? They move. They stretch. They kind of like the ethics of our politicians. They're their pockets stretch.
[00:13:33] So of the states in the EPA's region six, which is Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico and tribal nations, there's 31 applications for carbon capture. 22 of them are in Louisiana. Good God. So anyway, opponents say the risk, the health risks of carbon storage would fall on environmental justice
[00:13:55] communities that are already damaged from the petrochemical industry. And now it's the same industry that's going to start injecting carbon into this, into the earth. Yeah. Now the problem is you can't say it's bad in that it's going to fail
[00:14:11] and cause trouble because it's so new that it hasn't happened much. Oh, there are some, there is some data. Well, everybody I'm sure has heard of the CO2 poisoning of Satarsha, Mississippi, and I may be saying that wrong. It could be Satarta or Satartia.
[00:14:31] Satar, I mean, think it's Mississippi. Yeah. When you said it the first time, I thought you were giving me like an Indian country. This is Satartia. I'm going to say Satartia. OK. Well, that's S-A-T-A-R-T-I-A. Satartia. Satartia, OK. It'd be silly to go.
[00:14:50] So it was a sip because they've been screwing them first. They've been doing this. OK, February 22nd of 2020. OK, so it's only been four years. Yeah, yeah. All right. And this happens literally a month before everything gets shut down for the pandemic. So February of 2020. Yes, pretty much.
[00:15:10] I think this story didn't get covered because of the pandemic. Because of the pandemic. OK. Why is it that shocking? I'll leave it to you. OK. Demaris, Deborah Burns, his brother and cousins all decided to go fishing. They were headed home in a red Cadillac,
[00:15:29] saw a boom and saw a big white cloud shooting into the sky. OK. At Burns first thought it was a pipeline explosion. So he called his mom to warn her to get inside because a pipeline blew up. He told her he was coming home.
[00:15:42] She gathered her children and all went in the back bedroom, got under a quilt and waited. And then they didn't come. She was they should have been here in like five minutes. They didn't show up. Her sons and nephews were down the road in the Cadillac unconscious.
[00:15:55] Victims of a mass poisoning from carbon dioxide pipeline rupture as the carbon dioxide moved through the rural community, more than 200 people evacuated and 45 were hospitalized. Cars stopped working. Oh my God, because there's not enough oxygen in the air to power so the car can't function.
[00:16:14] And people can't function. Emergency response couldn't function. Oh, shit. People lay on the ground shaking, seizing and unable to breathe. First responders didn't know what was happening. This guy said it looked like a zombie apocalypse. Oh my God, you're right, though, that that story out.
[00:16:33] We would have said something about that now three years after the poisoning from the pipeline, some see the incident as a warning. Yeah. We're about to see a this is insane. 50 fold increase in carbon dioxide pipelines in America. Oh my God, billions of dollars of federal money
[00:16:56] has caused the oil coming to say, hey, we can we can replace lost revenue. Yeah, by running carbon, the other direction, basically through the pipelines that are already established. Yes. So how many jobs will this actually create? Then if the pipelines are already built and they're really just
[00:17:14] using the infrastructure they already have, are they really employing more people? They are. They are if pipeline work, but 5300 miles currently of CO2 pipeline across the country or just our area? Currently. Oh, OK. It says that in the next 20 years, it will be 65,000 miles of pipeline.
[00:17:34] So that's an additional 60,000 miles of pipeline. OK, so are they inspecting the infrastructure that they're about to start up using again? Well, here's. I mean, if one can explode in Mississippi, then the executive director of the nonprofit pipeline safety trust. These are pipeline people.
[00:17:53] We're looking at these pipelines being a lot closer to people and communities than they are right now. And we are not ready. Thank you. That's my. We'll see. That's the thing. Nobody's thinking of carbon dioxide as being like, I'll bet you
[00:18:07] they can run a carbon, a CO2 pipeline closer to people than an oil pipeline. You know what I mean? Oh, you mean legally? Yeah, because getting licenses carbon dioxide, just carbon dioxide. We breathe it all the time. It's into the air. What's the problem?
[00:18:21] Well, then why do we need to harvest it and put it in the ground if it's just not a problem? The idea of sucking up carbon dioxide generated by things like power plants before it heats the planet. This is and the number one companies right now currently involved
[00:18:38] Exxon, Mobile and Chevron. Standard oil. What a shock. It's shocking. Yes, and they're pouring billions and billions more into it. Okay. So is the community going to make a lot more money so that when they have to pay for their health care costs that are increasing?
[00:18:54] Let me scare you some more. Oh, I don't like this. The rupture occurred at 7 p.m. It spewed CO2 for four hours. The 911 center in Yazoo, Mississippi or Yazoo County was flooded with emergency calls in one 911 column. Mother pleaded for help because her daughter couldn't breathe.
[00:19:13] Her hacking audible in the background. Another 911 caller stranded on the highway described what was happening to her friend. I don't know what's happening. She's laying on the ground and she's shaking. She's drooling out of her mouth.
[00:19:22] I don't know if she's having a seizure or what could you send somebody? No, and our vehicles don't work. Currently this method to kill pigs is used in Abattois and is now being looked at as possibly being cruel and unhumane. Yeah.
[00:19:38] Carbon dioxide in the open air, we are told will disperse. But third party air monitoring that night showed the clouds of CO2 hung around for hours. It's called a weather inversion. Think about it's Mississippi. Yeah, it's humid and there's probably no wind. No, no. Yeah.
[00:19:55] Remember what coal did in England with their weather inversion? The cloud of carbon dioxide doesn't dissipate. Yeah. Caused emergency response vehicles to fail. It displaced oxygen for more than an hour. All right, well let's get to the nitty gritty. Did anybody die? Actually no.
[00:20:12] Well then what's the problem? People were in a field with it in their UTV and they just passed out. It's cold passed out. All right. So you know, what's the problem? Well, the current health impacts, lung problems for people that this happened to are continuing.
[00:20:32] People are also having some cognitive issues because for a while they weren't getting enough oxygen to their brain. So, oh Lord the teacher's in that area and the brain starts basically killing itself when you don't have enough oxygen because it's trying to survive brain damage. Yeah.
[00:20:49] It begins damaging itself in order to headaches. People have headaches now all the time. Excuse me. Oh my God, carbon dioxide. Yeah, I'd say I'm dying. So now doctors are finally going, hey wait a minute, we don't have any method for dealing with this.
[00:21:06] Well that was four years ago. Why are they? So now with the story coming out that we're going to have this locally in our area. We'll need electric emergency response vehicles. Oh well there's always a solution. Technology will win.
[00:21:24] You can hire me just email me at longintheboot at gmail.com. I have ideas like that. So are you saying our hybrid should still work? I don't know, it probably wouldn't because there's still no enough oxygen to run the gasoline powered motor. Part of it.
[00:21:39] But electric vehicles would work just fine and so I see this as a possible benefit and I think ExxonMobil and Chevron might be seeing that too. Should start talking to the makers of electric cars saying hey we should do a dual promotion.
[00:21:52] Basically telling people that an electric car is actually sort of like having one of those. It's insurance. Well you just have one. It's insurance. It's like the little thing for heart attacks that you can hang on your wall. Yeah the IED machine. Yeah, AID.
[00:22:07] Automatic no AD automatic defibrillator machine. ADM? No. No. Hmm. The OED? Quick stat get me the OED. ED, EDs who cares? A defibrillator that hangs on the wall. I care because if something happens to you down the hall I won't be able to tell the news.
[00:22:31] Go get that, that shockey thingy. Get the shockey thingy off the wall. Told my kids that before. Bring it here. Something happens and my husband goes down. You contact me. ADE, ADE, AED. There it is. Automatic emergency defibrillator. Got it. AED. American AED. Yes. Okay. Yay you remembered.
[00:22:54] Woo. All right. But anyway, so yeah, electric car can be like an AED. You just have one for when the pipeline ruptures. And so I haven't experienced this happen to me at a restaurant that I worked at when I was young where they had brought
[00:23:09] dry ice in unbeknownst to me and put it in the cooler and in the back corner to keep it cold because it wasn't working right until the guy could come fix it. So the dry ice was going to, yeah. Pickadilly's when it was on Ryan Street.
[00:23:22] Everything back in the day where LA star is now for you youngsters. Pickadilly's cafeteria and pickadilly in the mall. I miss that chicken fried steak. You cannot believe it anyway. I worked there and I had to go in the cooler to do some counting.
[00:23:36] And so I was in there and while I'm counting, suddenly I just got stupid. I don't know how else to put it. It just something I couldn't think about what I was doing. Yeah. And then I got really lightheaded and I said,
[00:23:49] I need to sit down and I literally just sat on the floor of the cooler and a couple of minutes. I was that company's probably only a few seconds, but somebody else came in there and realized what was happening and just dragged me out.
[00:24:02] And I when I came to he's the one that said, Hey, you can't go. You can't stay in there for any length of time. You still pass out going, get what you need and come out. You know what? That's information I could have been going to say
[00:24:13] and it's probably because today I don't know how many people would have actually known you might not have been saved. Well, he just saw me laying on the floor unconscious. He built me out. Okay. I'm sure he knew why. He knew the CO2 was in there.
[00:24:26] But that's my point. I don't think a lot of people would have known today. Oh kids. Yeah. Dry ice is made from frozen carbon dioxide. Like Dave with his mix and bleach and chlorine. Oh, we had a dishwasher who mixed ammonia and bleach to clean up.
[00:24:43] Dave take that outside. And then he was unconscious inside the giant pot. Yeah. He was coughing and fell over. Yeah. He was, he was messed up. I'm sure he had, But he already started with brain damage. So he didn't know. Yeah.
[00:24:55] But he fixed it though because he used that a cigarette to coat his lungs with tar so that the damage would not be so bad. All right. In fact, smoking probably saved him because the acids in the chlorine gas couldn't actually reach his actual lung fought tissue.
[00:25:13] Oh my goodness. Anyway, so yeah, C02. Beauregard parish. Yeah, it's a small. I told you we were a free parish. Yeah, it's small right now, but it's a, you know, hey, it's still kind of scary. Where are they going to put that? It's not by the gas pipeline.
[00:25:30] The one they're talking about right now, the one I read about said it was going to be West of Singer and south of fields, which I as I looked at the map, I don't see how that's possible. Is that like the Mustang Island area where we
[00:25:43] just had all the fires? Yeah, I think the road up to Singer from DeQuincy. Okay. 27 on the left. You pass fields and then you come to singer. The problem is I've never been able to figure out when I read the article how it can be south of
[00:26:00] fields and west of singer. Hmm. All right. Well, let's not think it's less the fields. Yeah, then it's southwest of singer, at least in my in my mind. Okay. Well, it's called a map. Yeah. So that's what I wanted to kind of hit on real quick and
[00:26:15] I thought it was interesting. So when they took because the company that's doing this is named like green field or the green is in the title. Evergreen evergreen. I think that's it. I think it might be evergreen, which is just ludicrous. Okay. You know,
[00:26:31] it's evergreen until it explodes or it's it's nevergreen until it explodes. It's nevergreen until it explodes. It's nevergreen. It's evergreen until it explodes or until it fails. Well, if you don't get enough oxygen, you turn green. So well somewhere along the pipeline because that's my question.
[00:26:50] I mean, look, they just closed the bridge to emergency. Oh, that happened today. That happened just like an hour. You'll be hearing this tomorrow, but the iten bridge eastbound is closed indefinitely. And missing one of them big repairs. But guess what? It's the other side. It's a bridge.
[00:27:08] One side is closed for emergency repairs, but the other side is still open. Yeah. It's like kind of pregnant. I see. I have problems with all of that. All right. So the original topic. Yeah. That before we got off on the environmental issues, the original top,
[00:27:25] we wanted to talk about homeowners associations and the way these things came together. It's because of people, friends of ours who often ask us why we live in the sticks. And, and I tell them it's well, I like the sticks. I like the quiet, especially when it's quiet.
[00:27:44] Um, and I like the fact that I've not told what I can do on my property for the most part. I want to put my garden in the front and the back on the side on my roof. Yeah. I can't go out and burn a pile of tires.
[00:27:55] Somebody's going to report it and I, and they'll tell me to shut it down because it's an, it's an environmental thing. Yeah. That's different. Yeah. But, I'm not carbon dioxide in my earth. If I wanted to go in the back and build a shed right now,
[00:28:08] nobody's going to say a word. I'm going to build the shed and it's done. No. And there's no permit. You know, not buying. I'm not doing anything. Just building a shed. And so that's what I'm talking about. There's a lot of places you can't even do that.
[00:28:21] If I want to go plant food plants 20 feet from the road, I can do it. Yes. Yes. My yard. Okay. My rules. Yes to it. Sure. You're, because your neighbors might try to burn tires. Well, but you just call the law. I mean,
[00:28:41] that's where I'm going to draw the line on you. Yeah, you can't be burning tires. I stay out of my neighbor's business, but I do too. But don't cause health problems for other people. Yeah. And that kind of stuff. And that's, and they're in there,
[00:28:53] the other issue because I tried to find positives to Hoas because I always want to see all aspects. And one of the positives is, I mean, we have a junkyard, you know, pretty much on the corner. Yeah. One's developing at the other corner because there are no rules.
[00:29:09] Now what I see is, um, mosquito. But there are no rules because they have junk cars everywhere. So there's going to be mosquitoes being bred like crazy. Maybe that's why it was so bad this one. No, no, we've had so much rain.
[00:29:25] But so that's a negative or that's a positive to HOAs. They keep your community, um, to a certain level clean. Yes. Yeah. Your neighbors can't just start bringing in junk cars and leaving them in their yard. Right. And that's maintenance. It's all they make you do some maintenance.
[00:29:42] Yeah. But again, it's still until they make rules at the county level, then he's got the right to do that. And anybody does. If I want to have eight cars on my property, it's my property. I know. Okay.
[00:29:55] So that, that's one of the positives, but that's not how they didn't start for a positive reason. Well, I, it depends on where you were. Um, but in the end, HOAs were created with the purpose of making
[00:30:09] sure that unwanted elements by certain people didn't come into the community. Purchase homes in an area that they shouldn't be living in according to the manual or the home builder. Um, or the bank giving the loans. Yes. And the insurance companies and insurance companies as well.
[00:30:32] You know, ignore them. The, uh, most of the, most of the histories give the HOAs the first ones as starting in get this Los Angeles, California. Yep. Sure. Why not? Well, liberal California. No, well, you know, maybe it wasn't so liberal then.
[00:30:52] Remember California actually had armed police preventing people from coming into the state during the depression. It's got enough. Yeah, that was Americans, you know, so not always the progressive liberal, um, Mecca today. No, certainly not. But it was something called the Arroyo Seco Improvement Association in Pasadena
[00:31:14] in 1905 and the Los Feliz Improvement Association 1916 Los Angeles. And these are deed restrictions. They're not really, it's not an HOA yet. Yeah, it was a new kind of subdivision. It was, they were, they were just starting out trying to establish
[00:31:30] themselves and find their, their correct zoning for their residents. Right. And the whole idea of course was a planned subdivision, um, zoning districts exclusively designed for single family homes. Yes. And, and at the exclusion of all non-caucasians and sometimes even non-Christians.
[00:31:52] Oh, unless you had servants, you could have domestic servants. Well, for example, one of them had no part of said property hereby conveyed shall ever be used or occupied by any Hebrew or by any person of the Ethiopian, Malaysian or Asiatic race. Wow. Yes.
[00:32:10] So you got to bring your papers. You've got to have your documentation. Now that was, believe it or not, that was a all overturned in 1948. But don't worry, people got creative and come up with new ways to, you know, prevent people from moving. Well, sure.
[00:32:25] You've got to figure that out because deed restrictions did a lot of deed restrictions were basically nullified by the courts. Yeah. The court says you can't, you can't enforce that. That's a, the courts ruled against many of those covenants. A Shelley versus Kramer was the Supreme Court case.
[00:32:42] However. But one of the things about HLA's is that if you want to move into a place that has an HOA, you were tacitly admitting that you approve of it. Well, sure. You have to. That's what the court says. Yes. That you're signing on to it.
[00:32:59] So you must approve. And that was my argument. Don't move there. Right. But you say, well, well, the people have to be there to work or maybe that's the only area you can afford to live in or like in some places, it's hard to find non.
[00:33:12] Can't find HOA homes in its expanding now. Canada is Florida. Florida is just lousy with them. Well, of course it is because you have all those. But some states like Maryland, I was reading in Maryland, they don't really have a lot of these.
[00:33:25] I'm like, well, no, because it's the East Coast. Well, the times. Monta. Everybody's where they were. Everybody's already in the areas they're in. They're not going to change anything. You mean they're deeply rooted there? Yes.
[00:33:37] And so they're not going to change a lot by having all of a sudden HOAs. It won't do any good. Now, I'll bet new subdivisions have them. If they put up before it has lawyers who specialize specifically in HOA law. Well, sure, it's become a retirement haven.
[00:33:53] So you've got people coming from all over the country moving into into newer builds in that area. So yeah, you're going to have stipulations to keep them safe. Right. And in the United States kind of helped this happen too.
[00:34:09] Because the idea of an HOA in 1963, the FHA said, hey, you can only get home mortgages, federal home mortgage insurance for condominiums or for homes and subdivisions that had qualifying HOAs. The rationale was developers wanted to get around density laws.
[00:34:28] The effect I was a divert investment from multifamily housing and home construction or renovation in the inner cities themselves. So basically this caused an exodus to the suburbs. Yeah. 1963. And then that's when the white flight started and then they panicked in the suburbs and said, oh dear Lord.
[00:34:48] Well, the thing was though, the suburbs, people were able to get out and so you left behind the inner cities now predominantly African-American and or low end and it created a problem because all these people moved out to HOA areas and the people in the
[00:35:04] inner city, even if they had wanted to move couldn't because they were prevented by some part of the HOA agreement. Yeah. They had the covenants, the bylaws or something. The board, let's just say the board of the people who live in those but the board is the people.
[00:35:20] Yes. Because once usually a contractor or a land developer in an area, they, they establish it and then once a certain number of lots have been sold, they turn it over to the residents. And then the residents run it.
[00:35:36] And so you are giving up your rights to move to an HOA though. Yeah. Um, I was reading about one. Uh, So you have a little government. Well, some HOAs have a rule that no more than eight people can congregate like on your front porch. Yeah.
[00:35:50] You haven't gotten to the horror stories of H.O.A.s. Oh, I've gotten a bunch of stories. Maybe you need to get right to that. But, uh, because that's going to be far more entertaining than the history of HOA's. That's way more entertaining.
[00:36:02] Which were simply developed for regulatory purposes to keep, you know, their areas. Well, many in many areas it was, uh, to keep out the people of color or Jews. Yeah, we already said that. And, uh, so that's one of the big problems, the discrimination. But, uh, let's see.
[00:36:21] Um, but now it's just crazy. Yeah. Because they're power mad. They become, they become little politicians in their own area. Sure. And in many cases, with the exception of our friend in Houston, Chris became the. Well, he became the H.O.A. Yes.
[00:36:37] So because nobody else would do it and he was scared that somebody would come along who was a Nazi control freak who would make horrible changes to their area. So that's really what it is. You've just got to, oh, you know what?
[00:36:50] It's just like politics on a national level. And I'm all about, you know, people say, look, you don't have to live in a place with an H.O.A. I would say that that is true, but you're going to be hard pressed to find,
[00:37:01] but in some places you'd be hard pressed to find a new home that isn't covered by an H.O.A. Yes. Often developers there for your job. Well, often the developers set it up. Yeah, that's what I said. Yeah. I already said those things. Yeah.
[00:37:12] So, so if you're buying a home, it's not that the people in the area you move set up the H.O.A. The developer did and then from this point forward sends it off to, but it's almost always going to,
[00:37:24] the problem is, is people who turn into little Napoleon's. Yeah. Little, little Hillers. That's what I'm saying about politicians. They get power mad and they suddenly decide, oh, we've got to stop this behavior. Yeah. Everybody's house is khaki. And so our friend, yeah, that's what he did.
[00:37:38] He ran for the president of the H.O.A. He with the intention of getting rid of it, but that couldn't happen. Plus there's a public pool. Well, that was the positive I was looking for. I was looking for H.O.A.'s who have amenities and activities
[00:37:51] and they do things for their area in order to make it better, not to control, dominate and squash down the different. And then you start finding the stories though, and that's really what it comes down to. It's actually not even the H.O.A. itself.
[00:38:04] It's these neighbors who take it upon themselves to report people to the H.O.A. who then have to act. Yes. It's in their bylaws. In some H.O.A.'s, you can be arrested by order of the H.O.A.
[00:38:20] if you don't pay a bill to the H.O.A. Oh, well, isn't that normally in your mortgage? Your H.O.A. fees are generally part of your mortgage. Correct. But a lot of people do the that it's separate though from the mortgage payment
[00:38:35] because your H.O.A. is not necessarily part of it. You they don't they don't have your mortgage through the bank, but they do control you. Yes, they do because they can seize your home and sell it. They're actually legally allowed to do that.
[00:38:48] If you violate the tenants of the H.O.A. if you've signed on to that H.O.A. Yes, there's there's actually an entity called the Architectural Control Committee. This is a very common committee within H.O.A.'s. They are the ultimate authority to prove or deny
[00:39:05] a building request, a pool committee, a neighborhood watch committee. They they have all these little subcommittees within their main committee to rule every part of your life. For instance, what all city trash cans must be removed within 30 minutes of trash pickups. There will be a fine.
[00:39:24] What if you're not home? Trash pickup is at 10 a.m. Yeah, you got to work, fucker. Oh, excuse me. I'm sorry, I get I get a little upset. Look, man, you agreed to live here under these rules. And you know what?
[00:39:37] I know I know many people who enjoy that kind of living. It's very uniformed. It's very regulated. They know the rules and they like that. Similar to prison life. It's very weird. It is it's prison. I like this H.O.A. got upset with the lady.
[00:39:51] She she repainted when she moved in, the front door and the shutters were faded and she repainted them the same color that they were. So it matched everything else, right? Had to be that color for the H.O.A.
[00:40:02] Yes, you have somebody showed up from the H.O.A. and said you used the wrong brand of paint. Neighbor reported you for using the wrong brand of paint. Oh, it wasn't low VOC. Who knows? I'm sure it violated some, you know, environmental. You know what you're getting?
[00:40:20] You're getting the cheapest campaign I can get. Good gosh. Most H.O.A.s, I thought this one was funny. Most H.O.A.s that have swimming pools in the area, it's illegal or you could have noticed if you hang a wet towel over like a balcony.
[00:40:37] Oh, that's unsightly or chair in your yard. Heaven forbid, it should look like people live there and enjoy life and do things. Your home and your area is a work in progress. You're always this guy when he puts his baby gate up
[00:40:52] during the day when he's outside with his dogs to keep them in the yard, when he goes out in the evening to take the baby gate down because the dogs are in the house. Often there is a fencing violation notice. Baby gate is a fence
[00:41:07] and they stick it to the baby gate while he's inside the house. What kind of stress would that lead to? I would not be able to deal. I just would not be able to deal with that. And now let's also talk about the insurance factor
[00:41:19] because isn't that part of the H.O.A.s also regulate control over the area through insurance companies because insurance companies will not cover things if they don't have regulations for certain things. Didn't you tell me that? Yeah, yeah. Basically the insurance company,
[00:41:39] the H.O.A. has insurance. They have, yes. Itself. So especially if they have a pool. If they don't abide by certain rules that the insurance company lays out for all of the homes within the H.O.A., the insurance company can deny insurance
[00:41:56] for the H.O.A. And the homes within the H.O.A. The homeowners that have, yes. It's very bizarre. And the rules are so different, state to state. It's crazy. But it's the idea that you can't use your yard.
[00:42:15] And my thing is I get it up to a point. You don't want a bunch of cars parked in somebody's front yard in an area with a lot of houses and kids. Yes. But these rules where it's like, oh, your house must be this color
[00:42:29] and you can't have any food plants growing in your front yard, which is very common. And in some cases not even in your backyard. No plants. All plants have to be container plants and many H.O.A.s. That's just insane. But you may not live there forever.
[00:42:44] So if you put that Magnolia tree back there, it may be an eyesore to somebody. The number of veterans who have had to fight to keep their companion dogs because of H.O.A.s. Because a lot of H.O.A.s will just ban,
[00:42:56] like one of them was no dog over 20 pounds. This guy's companion animal was 30. Oh, good Lord. Never mind it was trained. Yeah, it was a trained dog. It cost thousands of dollars to train those dogs. The legal fees, lawyers, there's no limit on what they can charge people
[00:43:14] when they do an action for the H.O.A. against somebody who owns the house. Yeah, the H.O.A. can just come up with their own. So the way they can seize your house is the lawyer can say, well look I worked on this case for 20 hours
[00:43:23] and I pay myself $900 an hour or whatever and you can't pay it. They can put your house into default, put a lien on it and if you don't pay all the bills and fees, they can seize your home and sell it for pennies on the dollar.
[00:43:40] Oh my God. Yep. Well their major power really is that ability to compel your property owners to pay common expenses for overall maintenance and amenities. So above and beyond your H.O.A. yearly fees, they can just suddenly say operation and maintenance of this property has dramatically increased
[00:44:02] and now we have to have a special assessment for road maintenance or X, the pool needs a new liner or we need a new pump and they can force that on the home owners. Well you use the pool. Now H.O.A.s are elected.
[00:44:18] The people in them are elected but you know how it isn't a small neighborhood. It just takes a small group of people to. Well and not everybody's gonna be able to devote the time to run for the board. Keeping up with it.
[00:44:28] And keep up with it or if you work and you actually have a life maybe you don't wanna do that. But you're beckoned to because you also need control of your life. And some of these H.O.A.s the people in them
[00:44:41] are so stubborn they'll go to the mat with somebody over something they're going to lose. So I was looking at the number of H.O.A.s who actually have lost money because of lawsuits that they initiated. Oh that they actually started and then lost in the end.
[00:44:55] This guy had a political yard sign. It was four inches wider than community rules allowed. Four inches. Hey G. Four inches. Four inches can mean a lot. It can mean a lot. And so the homeowners decided they were going to the mat with the H.O.A.
[00:45:12] They just I guess they had a lawyer. Just weren't gonna let it go. It took three years but eventually the H.O.A. coffers had spent $400,000 on legal fees. And did they charge that to the homeowners that in the area?
[00:45:25] So the H.O.A. because they are technically incorporated the H.O.A. went bankrupt. It was forced to sell the large common area in the middle of the community that gave the community its name all because of a four inch difference. Wow.
[00:45:43] And they asked the man about it. He said, well there's never been a better argument for knowing how to use a tape measure. Wow. Okay. Do you know how many people, how many homes and residents are within H.O.A.s in this country?
[00:45:59] As of 2010, H.O.A.s governed 25 million homes, 62 million residents are within some sort of H.O.A. So and that was in 2010, 14 years later I'm sure it's increased tremendously. Oh, I'm sure it has. The yeah, H.O.A. fees are going up rapidly.
[00:46:23] For all the embezzlement too, homeowners associations across the country are using H.O.A. funds for get this personal use. What? That's shocking. That's, I mean. Elected officials actually using. Well they're not really elected officials. Okay. Well you just told me they can take your damn home.
[00:46:42] They can. And have it sold for a fee or a fine. I think, Do you know that? You realize what this has done though. H.O.A.s are uncommon in the rest of the world. Well of course they are. The, although Canada is apparently on board.
[00:46:57] You realize now, which that means when you buy a home, if there's an H.O.A., you have to have the extra expense of a lawyer combing through it with a fine tooth comb to understand how it functions and what it can do.
[00:47:09] Because that's one area where you don't just want to sign on the dotted line. Oh no. And not know what those people have control over. As we know dotted lines. Oh yeah, okay. You sign on the board or on the glass.
[00:47:20] Yeah, over and over and over and over. You use your finger and sign on the glass. But yeah, so for people who don't always ask that question, you know, why don't you live in a city where things are easier? It's because then you're probably gonna have to live
[00:47:34] in an H.O.A. or a rental property, which is the same thing. So you still have the maintenance. You still have to make sure. And you've got the added cost. Plus you've got somebody big brother looking over your shoulder, your H.O.A. looking over your shoulder
[00:47:48] for every little thing you do. So again, for some people, they want that lifestyle. True. It's clean. It's organized routine. You know what to expect. I'm telling you it's exactly like a prison. I think what it is is what makes a good H.O.A.
[00:48:06] at least from what I was reading was they actually simply take care of the things that you expect an H.O.A. to take care of. Yes, that you have good water coming in that your maintenance is taking care of. Everybody in your community keeps up their stuff,
[00:48:21] but you don't freak out if somebody's lawn mower breaks and they can't mow their lawn for a period of time. I can't mow my whole yard right now. I would probably get a fine or a ticket. Well, you wouldn't be an H.O.A.
[00:48:32] because we'd be much closer to our neighbors then. So you know what I mean? Oh yeah, that's true. Because it's planned. All these communities are planned. That's true. We wouldn't have a low line area and have a place I couldn't mow because it's a marshy swamp.
[00:48:45] Our H.O.A. is Mother Nature. Mother Nature absolutely dictates what I can and cannot do out of my yard. Yes, by the way, invention needs to be made hoverboard lawn mower. Lawn mower so I can mow the muddy areas because it's freaking me out.
[00:49:00] Well, it's already got a propeller spinning, right? To keep it above the ground. Yeah, but- Let's sharpen that bad boy. This tire's getting stuck. I get in a squishy area and I feel it start to stick and I gun it and try to move fast and oh God.
[00:49:14] It's terrible. You gotta be skilled at it. All right, well we gotta wrap it up I think. Of course we do. But I did wanna- Well, what's your, oh you got something. Well, I got one last thing to go out on. Did you have something?
[00:49:26] No, no I put my stories away because I saw you were gonna stick with this for, you know. Well, it has to do with something we saw in the news the other night. We already talked about the history, the current and the future of H.O.A.'s.
[00:49:38] They're getting bigger. Oh, there's gonna be more of them. Oh yes, much, much. And that's gonna be nice. The young people of today who are gonna be the future- Young people don't like them. Do you think? No, I know so. You can look at the data. Over dogma?
[00:49:52] Yeah, no that's a different thing. No, turns out that boomers, baby boomers are the happiest with H.O.A.'s. Well yeah, because they have to do- Well because they're old. They have to do less. Morris take it slow. You wanna feel safe. It's safe, it's controlled.
[00:50:05] It makes sense. It's routine. Yes, I understand that for those people. Then the next group down which is not millennials, the other ones. Anyway, it literally follows age. Oh okay. So the youngest people think they're stupid. Okay, but when they become parents
[00:50:23] and have kids and see it's gonna happen to them. All right, young people that listen to our show. And I think it's money driven now. Most people, cause the fact is in most neighborhoods if you just basically follow the basic rules- You'll be okay. You'll be okay.
[00:50:37] But what if you wanna do something creative? What if you wanna have- I wanna put a colorful tone in my front yard. I got a Zen Buddha wall I wanna put up. Nope. See, I can't live here. And that's the deal.
[00:50:51] Cause I get a whim and I wanna go try it. Well, there you go. Wow, then I'm gonna stay- You're a bad neighbor. I'm gonna stay free and proud to be an American. Proud to be. That was the story I wanted to talk about.
[00:51:04] You wanted to talk about the bull? Yes. Everybody saw the bull. I know, but it's, you gotta listen. And that's the problem. Cause in the very background, if you really pay attention. The line in, okay. The song we're talking about- Rodeo happening. Rodeo. Rodeo's going on.
[00:51:18] They got a rodeo runner and there's a bull in the ring. And in the background, if you listen, it's Lee Greenwood singing- He's proud to be an American. Is that what the name of it is? Proud to be an American. I don't know. Yeah, well, in the song-
[00:51:33] When he says- When he says, I'm proud to stand up. Right at that moment, one of the bulls jumps into the crowd. It just goes nuts. He just jumps into the crowd. He can't jump in the leaps over the fence.
[00:51:46] Leaps over the fence and gets into the crowd. Didn't kill anybody. Didn't kill anybody, strangely enough. That was shocking. Well, you know- You're in a rodeo. You need to be aware. Head on the floor. But if you really pay attention in the background,
[00:51:56] you can hear everybody standing up. They're singing. And they're singing the song and then the bull just launches right on the- On the net. Stand up. Stand up. Boom. And he launches. All right. Well, it was amusing to us. And it was great.
[00:52:10] And the final thing, the United States won cricket. Again, nobody cares about- They're bragging about how the United States beat Pakistan for the very first time in cricket. Did you see the team? It was very diverse. But well, they didn't really ever say that in the news.
[00:52:26] That was really funny. They were like, it's the first time. It's so unexpected. Such an upset. And it turns out that the American team is mostly immigrants from India or Pakistan. So the people who are the best at cricket just beat a country that's good at cricket. Yes.
[00:52:43] Now, there are some Americans on the team. I mean, they're not Americans. They're all Americans. They're all Americans. Well, actually a couple of them are not, but- They're not citizens yet? No, not yet. I don't care. I don't care either. I just thought it was funny
[00:52:54] that the news portrayed it as- Are you living here in Panties? It's this amazing thing that the American- No, it's not amazing at all. They just had to get Pakistani people here to play. Sure. And- Why not? Our country is full of immigrants. Sure.
[00:53:08] It's like when Canada goes and gets players that are not quite up to par in the NFL. And brings them to- To play in the Canadian football league. They have careers. You know, they just don't have American careers. Yeah, you just took a different path. Yes. All right.
[00:53:21] And some people take a different path and they live in HOA communities. That's right. They love it and others come- It comes to blows. In some cases, they take your home. Turn out, and I didn't even get to talk about the 500 serial killers in our nation's highways. Darn.
[00:53:37] Well, that sounds like its own show. Stop that. You know what? We'll put that with the topic I didn't talk about that I had. Which is? Manifesting. Oh. The new buzzword. The new buzzword. It's not a new buzzword because as we always established- Well, no, manifestation.
[00:53:52] The word is ancient. Well, we go back. Yes. So we've got history. We've got modern and the future of manifesting. Yeah, sure. So we talked about the past of HOAs. Yeah, let's say- Where they're going in the future, we can just say more control.
[00:54:09] I guess we should manifest an ending for the show. We are gonna manifest an ending. You need to find your balance. You need to maintain in your life. Don't let the bastards get you down because they will get you down. Oh, they're bastards. They will, all of them.
[00:54:24] And do what you want in your damn yard. That's right. You wanna plant a vegetable garden? Plant a vegetable garden. Go plant a mater. I will stand on my vegetable garden. That's right. I'll plant my flag on this hill. HOA be damned.
[00:54:36] You know that your joy is out there. Take it with you. All right. And have a good week. Yeah, have two. Enjoy it with your lovely people. Yeah, that's right. Enjoy and we'll see you in two weeks. Bye-bye. Bye. Non-Christians as well. Huh? I was reading something.
[00:55:30] Oh, about? Non-Christians. No, no. Actually, I was reading the history of HOAs. Oh, yeah. It's... Well, for the 20th century... Yeah, I know that story. ...1905, yeah, Pasadena. It depends on where you go. Many people take credit for being first. You notice that? Yes, I did. I've done it.
[00:55:50] There's lots of confusing information. There were lots of racists. And the Los Filés Improvement Association in Los Angeles. Yeah, yeah, in Orange County. And then the Nichols Plaza area in Kansas City. Well, and then you also have Levitown. And Levitown being the first suburb.
[00:56:12] Yeah, and that really wasn't so much an HOA as just a business-owned community. With rules? With rules. Yeah. And they had you buy your balls because they didn't just have your house. They had your job. It was basically deed restricted. Yes. Levit, the actual guy.
[00:56:30] And the children of deed restricted in a new kind... It's an extension of deed restriction areas with a planned subdivision. Yes. Okay. And I don't know how I got to normally included provisions, minimum, home good instruction, exclusion of all non-caucasians and sometimes non-Christians. Well, sure. Except domestic servants.
[00:56:54] Like if you want to have a butler or maid... I bet they still needed to... You got... Well, you got to report them. You got to say, I've got two Mexicans and two two black folk working my property.
[00:57:06] So you got to tell them that way nobody's going to be scared when they see them on property. True. I saw a Mexican in my neighborhood. What was he doing? He was trimming bushes. Oh, my God. And nobody complains about Manuelo when he's cleaning their pools.
[00:57:33] Okay, let's see. So wait a minute. What was the CID versus an HOA? I remember seeing common interest development. Hang on. Are you still reading? Well, I want to get to the end of the actual story here real quick because I've never heard of this.
[00:58:08] And when you read... Okay, well, you're going to tell me about it because I didn't read it and I don't know. So I am ignorant. Now, it is a story off of NPR. So, you know, liberals... No, I'll take information anywhere.
[00:58:22] If I know that the site like Fox or NPR or CNN, I take that into consideration when I read the story and I judge based on my multi-thoughts. Well, I've got experience with this actually in a way. Okay, well, that's the... Maybe I should...
[00:58:37] Yeah, I'm going to start with this story. We'll see how far it takes us and then we'll go HOA after that. Right? I assume so because all I got is a Wikipedia on HOAs. That's it. I put away my other story and I'll say it.
[00:58:54] I've just got some stories about... We'll say what HOAs are for the people out there. People constantly ask us, why do you live in the country? Why, you know... Yeah. Wouldn't you like living... What does the sign say when you come into Beauregard Parish
[00:59:07] about like you can do whatever you want here, essentially is the message that there's not... When we come into town, there's a sign and it's about like the freedom of living in Beauregard Parish. I don't know what it is. Yeah, okay. I didn't write it down.
[00:59:25] Oh, shame on you. Not doing your research. Not doing your research for the show. You don't care about the show. I care about you, that's why I'm here. Oh yeah. We establish that. When Habs had the third Habit-cho, then I said to you,
[00:59:44] there is no way that man's gonna have time for any of this foolishness as much as he may want to. He's not gonna have time for this. Because three kids separated enough by years that their friends all have birthdays, so there's literally a birth authority.
[00:59:59] There's been happening every weekend. So yeah, so I picked up the slack. I may not be Habs. You know, fun fact, every child has a birthday. Every damn year. Every year. Maybe we just need to celebrate three pivotal birthdays in a lifetime.
[01:00:19] Well maybe we do it instead of one. Get rid of the penny. Thirteen. Five. No, no, one. Five is good. Your first year of life. You don't know what the fuck's... Maybe it's outside the womb. But you don't know what's going on. That's for the parents. Oh.
[01:00:33] That's for the adults and the grannies. Those people are still alive. Yeah. By the next one, pivotal, 13. No, five because you're kindergarten. No. You go into school. You get all kinds of shit then. You got kindergarten. You got kindergarten graduation. You got all that stuff. 13. And then 21.
[01:00:51] I don't think that's enough birthdays. And then we just don't care after 21. No, 18 is bigger than 21. Not legally? Yes it is. 18 is when you become an adult. Not in most states. 18 is when you're an adult. 21. You can drink. That's like the only thing restricted.
[01:01:11] That's a biggie for some. Well I'm sure it is but most people get it before they're 21 anyway. Oh sure because most people... But 18 is a bigger deal because you get to vote. You become an actual U.S. citizen. Okay. All right. And then after...
[01:01:23] And then after 18 we don't really care because... You don't have emancipation until you're an adult. So... We're grownups and we don't have emancipation. You can sign a contract. Basically you can go into debt. Taking all my freedoms. Where are my freedoms going? They've gone to the HOA.
[01:01:36] Where are my country going? HOA. All right. They're being HOA'd up. Oh, HOA you. Slowly but surely. We're all butt-fuddled. Mm-hmm. Yep.


